Girl charged with shooting after MySpace threat:
15-year-old Andrea Haskins of Lancaster, Wisc. was arrested for shooting a 17-year-old girl after threatening her on MySpace.
A criminal complaint charging Haskins in adult court with attempted first-degree homicide says she told Amanda Knoble on MySpace that she would shoot her if she came over to her house.
When Knoble drove near her home Tuesday with two other girls, police say Haskins came out of her house with a rifle and shot Knoble in the lower leg.
And the decline of civilization continues unabated.
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Well, she did warn the girl to not come over. I’m just saying.
I’m going to have to agree.
In my state response with deadly (or potentially deadly) force is authorized if you feel you’re endangered. Warning someone to not approach on threat of said force, and having that person show up, with backup, in my mind constitutes more than enough of a threat to respond in this way.
Ironically her action defends her assertion, after all she knew she had the stones to fire, perhaps in her mind it was shoot or be shot. Or as I’ve personally encountered brandish or be beaten to death.
Besides, it was a rifle, and she put it in her leg, that seems like an attempt at non-lethal force.
The moral of this story is don’t be an abusive dickhead that tries to win with intimidation, you might get your legs blown off.
Besides, the girl was older. I can’t help but see a bully that got what was coming.
I mean seriously, what 17 year old grabs two friends to go beat up a 15 year old?
I see this as a sign of society getting better, not worse. If more people were willing to stand up to those that scare them, and do what needs to be done when the chips are down, maybe we wouldn’t have bullies roaming in packs in the first place.
Trespassing cases should provide more than enough legal precedent here to exonerate the girl.
An older girl and two others threatened her and then came over to her house. She had the right to defend herself. She probably felt as if her well being was endanger.
That should have read endangered.
First of all, they are cousins. Second of all, they are both from Boscobel, Wisconsin, not Lancaster…and third of all she didn’t even go to her house, she went to the Dollar General Store across the street. Get the facts strait. We really don’t need people talking smack and not having the right facts to back it up. Thank you.
Oh ya, and as of the two other girls…One was giving her a ride and the other was her best friend. And im getting sick to my stomach of people saying it was okay for Andrea to shoot Amanda because Amanda was older or whatever the reason you come up with. People, people, people. I’m not sticking up for Amanda or Andrea…They both were in the wrong…But if Andrea was seriously threatened then why didn’t she contact the police earlier that day instead of sending Amanda gun threats over the internet?
It’s NEVER okay to shoot someone. But sometimes it just needs to happen. Like, say, when bitches be talkin’ smack over dey myspace.
She warned her. It was wrong to have threatened and even worse to have shot, but frankly if my best friend told me if he saw me again he’d shoot me, I’d call him to make sure he was joking before I came over.
Maybe that just means I need better friends….
You people dont know the whole story. No one knows except for the two witness and the victim/shooter. The girl was not a bully. These two have known each other since birth. They are related! This was not and Im sure will not be the last fight these two have. I dont care what kind of smack someone is talking, guns KILL people. They both should have went to the cops. And as for myspace, people are blaming myspace. They have been fighting face to face for months. These two girls like less than 2 miles from each other. This would have happened whether there was myspace or not. The internet is not to blame. The stupidity of parents, violent movies, and glorification of crimes is to blame. Look at how much of a spotlight this girl is getting for shooting someone.
1.“Giving her a ride.” “Best friend.”
So what? Neither of these things prohibits them from jumping in on a beating.
2.Cousins.
And? Newsflash: The majority of homicides are committed by friends and family.
3.“It’s NEVER okay to shoot someone. “
Obviously you’ve never been scared for your life, good for you, now grow some perspective.
4.Dollar General.
So she’s told if she approaches the house today she’s getting a bullet so she decides to go shopping at the nearest store? I call Bravo Sierra, big time.
5.“They have been fighting face to face for months. “
Which only lends credence to a legitimate fear, and drives a stake in the dollar general innocent victim crap.
6.“Look at how much of a spotlight this girl is getting for shooting someone. “
She’s getting spotlight because she fought back. Something children simply aren’t supposed to do according to our insane society, especially girls.
I’m tired of fights being trivialized. Rest assured the next credible physical threat I receive will be met with deadly force, as is my right bloody right as a human, and hers as well. This girl probably saved lives. I promise you at least one person will think twice about fighting someone else now, given the level of publicity this is getting, and that could have prevented a death.
I know how quickly a fight can go wrong, not to mention the fact that they are HORRID even if you win. We need zero tolerance for assault initiation of any kind in this country, but shock and surprise a whole culture beaten by its own parents and daily hammered with nanny Company external discipline doesn’t see the point.
Dude, who pissed in your corn flakes?
I was speaking in terms of relative peace.
War is war. War is a series of tragedies that add up to a victory. War is bad, but a sadly needed constant.
Honestly, I have had my life put in danger and frankly a gun was never really an option in my mind.
Running however, that worked quite well.
He hurt me, now I kill him…fantastic logic
“The stupidity of parents, violent movies, and glorification of crimes is to blame”
Also, as you pointed out in an earlier post, the two as well.
That’s all true, and yes of course she should have contacted authorities.
Well said Alisha.
Brandon, I feel very sorry for you. You are so ignorant and so arrogant…You do not want to stop for a second to think about the reason why this is so publicised…because of myspace! If myspace had nothing to do with this, it would just be another shooting in Boscobel, Wisconsin. Maybe you need to look up some facts about Boscobel. Maybe you should understand that this is not Boscobel’s first rodeo.
—-Try and put yourself in my families shoes…in my Grandma’s shoes. We have been going through so much in the past year and nothing has been getting better and this is just the iceing on the cake…and the media?! That’s just even worse! If my Grandma does not have a mental breakdown over this than she deserves a medal! Everyong just needs to understand that Amanda and Andrea have been feuding for over a year now…if myspace was never invented, this still would of happened…And it was not right for Andrea to shoot Amanda no matter what. Andrea’s relative is the Cheif of Police! Call him! Enough is Enough, Brandon. Stop. You probably won’t because your arrogant. You think you’re right and no one else. This is my family, not yours. You have no idea! so STOP already! Amanda has 2 younger siblings and Andrea has 1…do you think they want to go on the internet and look at all the bad things people are writing about their older sisters? They are already going to have problems when they go back to school in the fall. And it’s not just this page, there are other pages that you can write comments, but this one is the worse thanks to Brandon. Everyone give Brandon a round of applause. He is the token arrogant guy (or girl)! Congratulations, Brandon! Now go make some t-shirts saying “Free Andrea!”
Guns dont kill people, people kill people.
The youth do need to stand up for themselves but not to the extent of shooting someone, because at that, the victim has made him or herself switch places with the bully.
I personally know Andrea, and I can tell you that she is not the victim in the case at all.
Alisha I feel as sorry for you as you feel for Brandon. You apparently feel it is ok to threaten and intimidate others. I don’t buy your “just giving her a ride” excuse. It would be an amazing coincidence that she threatened to beat her and then just couldn’t make it without going to a Dollar Store by her house. The three girls was going to jump this girl and she defended herself. As a person she has the right to do that.
“War is bad, but a sadly needed constant.”
As we were growing larger and larger brains, there must have been chimps with a similar inability to imagine a better future.
Fortunately the human race agreed with what a now famous patent clerk once said, Imagination is more important than knowledge.
Alisha.
Calling me names and trying to appeal to my emotions simply will not work.
I do not feel guilty for being honest and advocating the right of people to defend themselves from attack, no matter their personality or attitude.
I know more than you imagine, but of course that’s not to say I know everything.
I’ll admit that I could be wrong, but you’ll not admit that I could be right and given that fact, which of us is more likely to be rational?
So far your defenders have advocated permanent war, while mine have stressed the human right to a safe and violence free existence.
You condemn my right to even speak my mind while I support the right for not only the freedom of speech but the freedom to live without being assaulted, period.
Your inability to censor my opinion is the point, as is my inability to censor yours.
I know in my heart that I would not delete your comments if I had the power to do so. Can you honestly say the same? We both know the answer.
What would you like, to silence me? Perhaps with force?
Of course the families don’t want to read unpleasant truths about their own, but having to tolerate the freedom of others is the price we pay for our own.
I don’t expect you to understand any of this, but maybe others who read it will.
What would you have me do? Sit in silence because what I have to say offends your family? What makes your opinion so special? Why do you think you have the right to silence me?
You don’t. And in a just system, no one would. In an enlightened system no one would even want to.
(Kudos to the webmaster here for allowing comments unchecked, BTW)
You must understand that your position is equally offensive, disgusting, pathetic, narrow, short sighted, malevolent, childish, creepy, harmful, etc etc, to me.
The difference between your people and mine, is mine care about the country and the species as a whole, while yours can’t see past their own bloodline and problems.
I hope you’re enjoying your 15 minutes. I’ve always cared about these issues and I’ve always spoken up about them.
It took someone getting shot to bring you into the fray.
Are you absolutely sure you know which of us is closer to real evil?
P.S. Thank you Missi.
ok, u know what. I give up. since everyone thinks they know everything then i give up. Have a good life everyone. see ya on the flip side. peace love and candy bars.
Brandon I agree with you and Alisha, stay off of pages on the net that upset you and yours. We have the right to discuss the news and give opinions, period. If it upsets you, don’t read it. It’s for the court to decide who is at fault and what punishment they will have.
I certainly understand how disturbing this is for your family but your focus should be your family and not strangers on a blog that you cannot control.
In this situation, I would have called the cops, loaded my gun, and fired a warning shot into the ground before the shot in the leg (I don’t know if it was meant to be non-lethal or she was a bad shot).
All I can say is at least it was in the leg. I Dont agree with a gun being used, I really dont, but it’s better in the leg than elsewhere. The police SHOULD have been called, especially if they’ve been feuding for that long. Restraining orders should’ve been given out. And Even if they’re family, they should’ve been forced to stay away from one another.
HOwever, that didnt happen, and someone got shot.
I agree that it’s odd that she’d go to the store RIGHT NEAR the other girl’s house right after being told not to come near her. It seems too much like a “haha I’m not touching you” situation. This girl took a gamble and lost. Thank god she only lost her leg for a short time.
I feel the need to comment on this tendency to attack the girl for not calling the blue mafia.
I wish to remind you all what happens when you call the cop and you don’t have a team of Iraqi terrorists standing there at that moment with a shotgun buried in your fundiment… They make things worse.
“Ok let me get this straight ma’am she threatened you on my space and you’re scared? Well we can’t do anything about that but here’s the number of a good lawyer that costs more than your whole family income. Call us if Anything Happens.”
This is especially true of small town cops. Trust me.
Much like its apparent that many of you have never been in fear for your lives from an attacker, also it seems many of you have never called the police and had them utterly fail you or makes things worse.
The police are not there to settle your disputes, and until someone got shot, thats what they would have looked at it as. The chief of police in this case was surprised by all this, that means had he been caled he would have been incredulous as to the severity of the situation.
“Oh its just girls being snippy with each other.” Savvy?
Sure if they had known someone was going to be shot over it they might have been able to do something, but how could they?
So really everyone, lay off the woulda-coulda-shoulda. Realize that you are doing this from the comfort of your home with literally days to think about it. Her decision was made in a state of potential panic, and had far less time.
You also assume a great many things. Perhaps the gun went off accidentally? Perhaps she thought it was unloaded, perhaps she did shoot the ground first and it ricocheted, in the real world there are a billion reasons to shoot first and ask questions later.
I’m happy that most of you don’t have to visit that world, but I assure you, it exists.
My apologies for the somewhat off topic post.
Brandon if anything, IF the police had been called there would’ve been a record of the girl telling the police she was afraid for her life, or that there was a dispute going on. Then if someone had been shot, there’d be less of a dispute as to why. THAT is why I think they should hav ebeen called. And I’m very very glad that the girl only got shot in the leg. I doubt it was going to be an attack on her life, but maybe I’m, as you put it naieve about such things. I dont know. I wasnt there. I dont know these girls. I can only speculate. But either way I dont know that this situation would have called for lethal force either way. I believe in defending yourself as -necessary-. Matching force with force. And yes, I HAVE been in situations where my life was in danger, and I DO believe that if necessary a gun can save one’s life. I just dont think that this was such a situation. I dont know, though. Like I said–I wasnt there, but to be fair, sir, neither were you, and therefore you dont really know if that gun were necessary either.
Good point about being on record, but we’re talking about a child. Imagine the parents. “Why did you call the police over such a trivial thing??”
You simply don’t get it. BEFORE someone got SHOT, it was a tiff, a spat, nothing of consequence.
That’s why everyone was all shocked. This fact has consequences.
And you’ll not guilt me into silence just because I wasn’t there. One could argue that not being there helps my perspective, eye witness accounts of anything are notoriously bad. I don’t trust my eyes.
Secondly on the same front, even if being there did help, which is by no means assured, telling me to essentially keep quiet because i wasn’t is logic that if extended would mean that you don’t get to say anything about anything you didn’t directly experience.
However, I completely see your point though, and admit that I COULD be wrong, I just don’t think I am.
Oh brandon no, I’m not trying to guilt you into silence at all. Your opinion is obviously one you believe as strongly as mine is for me. I can see both sides of the situation, and you argue just fine without being an ass about it. I was just making a point, and since you seem able to debate like a human being I’ll continue the debate. ^_^
The other girls werent carrying a gun were they? I forget. If they werent th en this statement is about that. If they were then it’s moot and I dont know what I’m talking about. You stated “before someone got shot this was just a tiff” basically. Well…yes. But, the person who Should have called the police is the ONE who shot. So…I fail to see your point. If she’d called the police INSTEAD of s hooting, no one would have been shot.
I’m a parent. And if my child was in a fight, I wasnt home, and she was afraid for her life, (momma there were three of them and I know she’s my cousin but she looked like she wanted to hurt me) I wouldnt be upset she called the police at all. I cannot imagine a parent being angry over that.
Then again…she also could have locked all her doors had the phone handy, and just refused to open it instead of going out and confronting the girls in the first place.
There are TONS of other ways this could have been resolved -without- the gun.
Again I am not condemning the use of the gun. I’m saying it probably wasnt necessary.
You’re probably right. Check out my blog if you wanna see my response to your position. I’d rather not debate you here. It will get off topic quickly.
they didn’t need to be armed. there were 3 of them, which under the guidelines of most states, constitutes a gang assault, lethal force is allowed in such instances. she could have used a knife, but loud noises and bright flashes have more of a shock and awe affect.
See, Patrick I didnt know that. You taught me something. ^_^
Also, it serves as a cry for help. Nothing brings a cop faster than a gun shot, especially in a small town.
Andrea Haskins was from Boscobel not Lancaster. Anyway I live in Lancaster and Boscobel is about a half hour away. I think that it is totally wrong for Andrea Haskins to shoot her first cousin. Actually I find it wrong for her to shoot anyone. The thing that I do not agree with is that she is being tried as an adult and she is only 15. Everytime I drive by the Grant County Jail in Lancaster I think of her and she should be in juvie for a long ass time and she should not be tried as an adult.
Here is a follow up on Andrea Haskins. http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=210762
“Actually I find it wrong for her to shoot anyone.”
I grow so weary of this mindless shite.
It’s so easy to toss around absolutes when you have no imagination.
Are you really so daft that you can’t think up a plausible situation where its your ethical duty to put a bullet in someone?
I mean seriously. Are you telling me not one person on the face of this earth who has ever lived at any point in their existence deserved, nay, Required, a bullet?
Need I bring up soldiers and police? Are they all seriously murderers? Or does wearing a uniform while shooting someone make it ok?
Ah, another person being harrassed and threatened winds up being charged for defending hemselves.
If you haven’t noticed yet, I america now the agressor tend to be ignored, while the victim tends to be charged.
Same thing happened to me in school – I was attacked daily, and was told “just ignore thm and it’ll stop” – but it got worse instead. Finally, one of them attacked me one day, and I turned and went after him. I didn’t take more thn 5 steps before a teacher came out of nowhere, grabbed me, and brought me to the office. I got SUSPENDED, and the dick and his friends got off scott free.
lol funny
I agree with u defcon. So true!